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danielpataki says:
I've seem this in the forums, but the big thread has been closed due to lack of responses. I want to start this again, maybe if enough people cast their vote the awesome people developing RTM will consider it.
I need nested lists because I simply have a LOT of sublists in my organization. Here's an example: I am promoting multiple blogs, and am writing many e-books, tied to different blogs. My big project would be "BLOG A". A subproject that is "E-book" would be needed, because that is still HUGE. I could group these with tags, but if I also have an E-book for blog B that will get confusing.
Yes, you can use smart search and smart lists to get around this, I just feel it would be much easier. You could also have the option to turn this on and off, to declutter the interface.
If turned on, when you click on a list, it will show its sublists in blue for example in a row underneath the main lists. Other main lists can be hidden while this is happening.
If you turn off sublists and you have sublists, either all the tasks could fall under the main list, or sub lists could be brought to the front and shown as main lists.
I am using RTM because it is simply the best, but I have been experimenting with others because of the lack of this feature (so far no app came even close)
Cheers to you guys, thanks for listening
I need nested lists because I simply have a LOT of sublists in my organization. Here's an example: I am promoting multiple blogs, and am writing many e-books, tied to different blogs. My big project would be "BLOG A". A subproject that is "E-book" would be needed, because that is still HUGE. I could group these with tags, but if I also have an E-book for blog B that will get confusing.
Yes, you can use smart search and smart lists to get around this, I just feel it would be much easier. You could also have the option to turn this on and off, to declutter the interface.
If turned on, when you click on a list, it will show its sublists in blue for example in a row underneath the main lists. Other main lists can be hidden while this is happening.
If you turn off sublists and you have sublists, either all the tasks could fall under the main list, or sub lists could be brought to the front and shown as main lists.
I am using RTM because it is simply the best, but I have been experimenting with others because of the lack of this feature (so far no app came even close)
Cheers to you guys, thanks for listening
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tobor0 says:
I absolutely agree that this feature is required.
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dberglind says:
I am new here and have searched and see that this has been requested numerous times, but I too need to add my support to this idea.
I have "tasks" and I have "projects". I would really like to be able to list my tasks for each project in a nested list.
I know it has been suggested that I could use "lists" for the projects, but with the organizational system that I use, it just doesn't work out quite right.
I have "tasks" and I have "projects". I would really like to be able to list my tasks for each project in a nested list.
I know it has been suggested that I could use "lists" for the projects, but with the organizational system that I use, it just doesn't work out quite right.
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nash.ogden says:
Absolutely a must have.
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deterb says:
You can grab a url for a smart list by going to the atom feed and changing the word 'atom' to 'home' in the url, but being able to automate this would be helpful.
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bostont66 says:
This would be a great feature that I would love to have also
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dmd1272 says:
agree
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dessner says:
I think it is so important, I would pay for a pro account for this feature
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mburer says:
I also think this is a great idea. Essentially I have projects within projects, so I need lists within lists.
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jamezzz says:
Agreed. Perfect candidate for a Pro feature.
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fransn says:
Vote for this!!
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lefnire says:
gotta say, much needed. I'm moving to MindMeister until RTM has sublists.
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Well, considering the number of people requesting sublists, I'm surprised that most haven't realized that Firefox+GreaseMonkey already makes this possible.
My present tag cloud at work, where I have hidden the private tags:
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The three projects at the bottom (p01, p02 and p03) all have sublists, works well.
My present tag cloud at work, where I have hidden the private tags:
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The three projects at the bottom (p01, p02 and p03) all have sublists, works well.
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bzpilman says:
When thinking smart(lists), sublists make a lot of sense
I've always thought how cool it would be to have dropdowns, but then these dropdowns could be lists themselves (the parent lists) and everyone would be pleased :)
For the simpler cases, rajjan, our pumped up tag cloud does fine, but when you talk smartlists there's nowhere to run.
Bottom line is, sublists are already a reality for tags, lists and locations, but not for smartlists (unless you could stick a smartlist to your tagcloud). And smartlists bring the indecent possibilities.
I've always thought how cool it would be to have dropdowns, but then these dropdowns could be lists themselves (the parent lists) and everyone would be pleased :)
For the simpler cases, rajjan, our pumped up tag cloud does fine, but when you talk smartlists there's nowhere to run.
Bottom line is, sublists are already a reality for tags, lists and locations, but not for smartlists (unless you could stick a smartlist to your tagcloud). And smartlists bring the indecent possibilities.
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derek.conjar says:
I have a tag cloud like Rajjan, but I'm still getting it all pimped out. I also use RTM Enhanced to reformat RTM so it's easier to use, and I use another script to keep the task cloud in view at all times.
I do agree that sublists are a good idea. I'd have to say that drag-and-drop reordering and dependent tasks are more important to me, though.
I do agree that sublists are a good idea. I'd have to say that drag-and-drop reordering and dependent tasks are more important to me, though.
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crace says:
I would love to have sub-lists. Yeah, it's possible to use all sorts of crazy tasks and smart lists to do this, but when it comes down to it, sub-lists would just be easier!
Would definitely make implementing GTD easier for me, since I'm using a list name as a project name. If there are sub-lists, I can then create sub-projects easily.
Would definitely make implementing GTD easier for me, since I'm using a list name as a project name. If there are sub-lists, I can then create sub-projects easily.
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teresa.amar says:
+1
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dustinaskins says:
Another vote for this feature. I loved Todoist's nesting. I've tried multiple lists using RTM but I hate how rows of list tabs stack. If Im going to have tabs stack I'd rather have parent list tabs on top and sub list tabs on bottom.
One application of nested lists I like the most. A parent list of "Home" with nested lists for each room in the house ("Bedroom", "Living Room", etc.) and then tasks for each room within the room's list.
One application of nested lists I like the most. A parent list of "Home" with nested lists for each room in the house ("Bedroom", "Living Room", etc.) and then tasks for each room within the room's list.
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(closed account) says:
+1!
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(closed account) says:
+1
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joseph.gruber says:
++++
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navigator_x2 says:
100% agree this is needed... if it wasn't for the increased google integration I'd stick with Todoist as I prefer the sub task design. If the integration increases I'm switching back. Keep the masses happy and sort this out.
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nir.ofry says:
I really need this feature. I think it is the base of the "next action" idea (of GTD)
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andrewmin says:
+1 for the idea.
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charliebeldon says:
+1
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john.hollier says:
As a consultant with mulitiple clients and often multiple projects for a single client I could definitely use this feature to keep the projects as sublists under a main client list - and if it was only available as a Pro feature I would upgrade.
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rolandgiesler says:
I agree with this being a need that should be implimented as a high priority.
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dsunderhaft says:
Would love to see this feature as well!
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stega says:
+1
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flanakin says:
-1... Personally, I prefer tags. If this could be implemented without sacrificing simplicity, then that's one thing, but I would rather just not see it at all.
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jkissoon says:
now that google tasks (otherwise inferior to RTM) comes with nested tasks RTM really need to take this request seriously. This could be a make or break feature. Please RTM reconsider!
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thepauly says:
Would it not be possible to make sublists an option to placate those of us who need them and those who want to maintain the simplicity of the interface?
I'll name my firstborn RTM if you add this function*.
*Not a legally binding contract.
I'll name my firstborn RTM if you add this function*.
*Not a legally binding contract.
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fish_guts says:
Absolutely needed -_-
(don't really know if this thread is still followed tough)
(don't really know if this thread is still followed tough)
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dan.julian says:
I'm adding my +1. Is there a good reason this can't be added? If so, I'll stop asking or adding my +1 to these.
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jeff.rhine says:
dan.julian,
Here are links to a few posts (please see emily's comments) as to why it may not be added (or at least why it may not be added in the next week/6 months/year/etc.):
http://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/help/6751/
http://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/ideas/1582/
http://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/help/6629/
Hope that helps.
Here are links to a few posts (please see emily's comments) as to why it may not be added (or at least why it may not be added in the next week/6 months/year/etc.):
http://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/help/6751/
http://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/ideas/1582/
http://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/help/6629/
Hope that helps.
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I wrote a ticketing system for my org and I created the ability for each ticket to have children. It's really very simple. Every ticket has a parent_id field. Every ticket can only have one parent, but in effect, each ticket can have unlimited children this way. It works great.
I would love to see this implemented.
I would love to see this implemented.
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william.mackintosh says:
I am really impressed by RTM. However, the lack of sublists is a great shame.
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rtakes says:
Sublists would be great
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ryan.hyde says:
fully agreed
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hmbrazil says:
Agreed!
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marc.garcia.marti says:
Hey rajjan,
could you share your RTM knowledge off Forum with me? I've come to a deadpoint in my rtm implementation even though I have set up my coloured task cloud and so on. Do you have by any chance a blog about your settings published somewhere in the net?
Thanks in advance,
could you share your RTM knowledge off Forum with me? I've come to a deadpoint in my rtm implementation even though I have set up my coloured task cloud and so on. Do you have by any chance a blog about your settings published somewhere in the net?
Thanks in advance,
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smile.syban says:
+1
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ankue says:
+100 ;)
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danielcabreratoyos says:
+1
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(closed account) says:
+100
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raguza says:
Absolutely needed feature
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minim_c says:
Please!
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(closed account) says:
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!
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dominic.spachmann says:
and once again: yes!
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(closed account) says:
I agree that sublists would make using RTM SOOOOO much more awesome. I use smartlists for that now, but it is certainly not ideal. But other things about RTM are so great, so hopefully if you add this it'll be simply perfect
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jasonwhit says:
I'd like them too!
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vmegen says:
+1! Would be an awesome feature.
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silverg3 says:
please add sublists! :)
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fouadsader says:
I totally agree with adding sub-lists, however it should be an option that could be turned on or off, since some people dont particularly favor them. For my requirements, so far, tagging isn't enough.
++++1 Sublist
++++1 Sublist
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nuvishu says:
+1
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jeff.vautin says:
+1
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tankeev says:
+1
I need it sooooo much. Or maybe project-oriented tasks.
I need it sooooo much. Or maybe project-oriented tasks.
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(closed account) says:
+1
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mtt says:
yes, please
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frejo says:
+1
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erinjeffreys says:
+ 1
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kmninbox says:
I was a pro member once... but it's been over a year with some popular requests such as these, and I see no development or progress towards anything more than last years RTM.
Though RTM has a few functions I find very useful, particularly when used with a mobile device, ie syncing, smartlists, location/nearby, & smart task adding from many different sources and devices... imo it becomes very difficult to organize and keeping track of tasks and lists when you start having many tasks and lists over a longer period of time.
But RTM seems to have so much potential to be powerful and flexible for organizing all the tasks in my life.. but perhaps RTM really is just for...remembering tasks such as remember to buy the milk.
I need sublists,
and/or an easier way to make lists in general, maybe something right on the tasks page, instead of needing to go into settings each time to create, edit, or delete lists, maybe drag and drop too.
I completely agree the tabbed lists interface easily gets too cluttered. Really discourages me from using it at all in the long run...
Also maybe when you make a smartlist, it would pull the tasks out of the inbox, to keep the inbox uncluttered so that you can review and consider straggler tasks that don't belong in any grouping. As it is, when solely relying on smartlist, the inbox is exactly like the all tasks lists, and after a week of adding tasks to RTM, who really wants to go back through 200+ tasks in the inbox to make sure i've properly organized all my tasks... especially when making a list isn't even that easy to do. If you
Though RTM has a few functions I find very useful, particularly when used with a mobile device, ie syncing, smartlists, location/nearby, & smart task adding from many different sources and devices... imo it becomes very difficult to organize and keeping track of tasks and lists when you start having many tasks and lists over a longer period of time.
But RTM seems to have so much potential to be powerful and flexible for organizing all the tasks in my life.. but perhaps RTM really is just for...remembering tasks such as remember to buy the milk.
I need sublists,
and/or an easier way to make lists in general, maybe something right on the tasks page, instead of needing to go into settings each time to create, edit, or delete lists, maybe drag and drop too.
I completely agree the tabbed lists interface easily gets too cluttered. Really discourages me from using it at all in the long run...
Also maybe when you make a smartlist, it would pull the tasks out of the inbox, to keep the inbox uncluttered so that you can review and consider straggler tasks that don't belong in any grouping. As it is, when solely relying on smartlist, the inbox is exactly like the all tasks lists, and after a week of adding tasks to RTM, who really wants to go back through 200+ tasks in the inbox to make sure i've properly organized all my tasks... especially when making a list isn't even that easy to do. If you
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dimitor says:
+1
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(closed account) says:
and again a +1 +1 from a newbie.
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bcrem says:
Hey! RTM! HOW can you not have sublists??? What, is it somehow impossible with your current design? Would you need to completely refactor the entire site? Did Bob T. Monkey have a bad experience with a sublist as a child?
WAKE UP! Implement sublists!
(please.)
WAKE UP! Implement sublists!
(please.)
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dgsink says:
This would be awesome - lots of lists are nice, but so often I have categories that need sublists and it would be so much cleaner to be able to do this.
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fmaida says:
+1
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metaloop says:
+1
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gstiebler says:
+1
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richalbin says:
+1
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jgarozzo says:
+1!
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(closed account) says:
Yes please! This would be so very useful. If a pro feature, I wouldn't hesitate for a second.
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jeffersonkg says:
I absolutely agree that this feature is required. [+1]
Hey it's help a lot of! Sublists is better than puts the tags, and the preview would be more enjoyable.
Congratulations for your great work! I'm loving it!
Hey it's help a lot of! Sublists is better than puts the tags, and the preview would be more enjoyable.
Congratulations for your great work! I'm loving it!
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woowaabob says:
+1
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(closed account) says:
+1;
This is a better idea then subtasks to keep the interface clean.
This is a better idea then subtasks to keep the interface clean.
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martin.mares says:
+1
I agree... "this is a better idea then subtasks to keep the interface clean".
I agree... "this is a better idea then subtasks to keep the interface clean".
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chrisroppola says:
+ 1 . Agree as well, sublists before sub tasks.
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(closed account) says:
+1
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(closed account) says:
I cluster related lists by using prefixes for lists that are part of a bigger thing. Simple, and works on whatever device I'm using.
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heppa says:
+1
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anotherdamndj says:
Three years of people asking for the same thing? that is crazy
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eric.chapman says:
+1
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alejandro84 says:
+1. totally required
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drsimcha says:
IMO sublists are one of the few features missing in an othwise awesome application. Sublists would expand the ability to use RTM for a much wider variety and number of more complex tasks
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black.puppydog says:
I'm trying to implement the getting thingy done method with rtm and this is the feature which I'm missing most. In gtd you make a lot of lists as you go so especially on the Droid things get really messy.
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vamshikk says:
This is easily implementable with a tag. Please use tags.
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lucasmocellin says:
+1
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awww says:
+1 sublists required
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(closed account) says:
I just don't understand how sublists haven't been implemented yet. Seems like an obvious necessity.
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bicer says:
Probably the biggest missing feature in RTM. Please implement and don't make seasoned "paying" RTM users feel that they are lacking this important capability.
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isaacpei says:
sub-list is definitely needed. maybe as step 1, just allow a first level of sub list?
ideally, it could support n numbers of sublist
ideally, it could support n numbers of sublist
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adzio says:
yes sublists would help a lot! Please implement it!
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maxjmaass says:
The lack of sublists is one of the things that keeps me from using RTM as my full-time Todo list application. I'll even get Premium for it, if I have to.
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jcollado says:
This will also be very useful as an alternative to listContains search operator:
https://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/ideas/5704/
The thing is that following the advice to apply GTD with RTM:
http://blog.rememberthemilk.com/2008/05/guest-post-advanced-gtd-with-remember.html
ends up in multiple lists that are related by prefix name (ps: personal, wk: work). However, if it could be possible to have a "Personal" folder and a "Work" folder it would be pretty easy to find all personal/work tasks that match a criteria looking into the folder (assuming that searching in a folder is the same as searching in all the lists that it includes).
Note that since lists are being created/archived/deleted as small projects start/finish, it's a little bit painful to keep the search criteria up-to-date for all the smartlists while this folder idea will make things much easier (even if only one level is allowed, that is, folders can only include lists, not other folders).
https://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/ideas/5704/
The thing is that following the advice to apply GTD with RTM:
http://blog.rememberthemilk.com/2008/05/guest-post-advanced-gtd-with-remember.html
ends up in multiple lists that are related by prefix name (ps: personal, wk: work). However, if it could be possible to have a "Personal" folder and a "Work" folder it would be pretty easy to find all personal/work tasks that match a criteria looking into the folder (assuming that searching in a folder is the same as searching in all the lists that it includes).
Note that since lists are being created/archived/deleted as small projects start/finish, it's a little bit painful to keep the search criteria up-to-date for all the smartlists while this folder idea will make things much easier (even if only one level is allowed, that is, folders can only include lists, not other folders).
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kearab says:
+1 pleeeeaseeee!
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(closed account) says:
+1
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georgedolbier says:
Sublists or Sub tasks, need drag and drop orginization
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nadine.dyck says:
+1
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muliady.hartono says:
+1 Please allow manual ordering of list and sub-list.
Also ability to hide sub-lists.
Also ability to hide sub-lists.
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nicolascarre says:
+1 I'm starting with RTM and I'm not sure to get THE tool because I don't have this sub list feature.
It's important for me to be able organize my lists (personal ones, work, context for meeting preparation, sub projects, ...)
It's important for me to be able organize my lists (personal ones, work, context for meeting preparation, sub projects, ...)
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eyankowitz says:
Would love to see nest/sub list support.
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jacobw11 says:
Love the idea of nest/ sub lists
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yasser.laariba says:
+1 sublist is a must!!
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jchediak says:
+ 1
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(closed account) says:
+1
This would make RTM better!
This would make RTM better!
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(closed account) says:
Sublist would increase the flexibility of a very flexible product.
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rolfwinch says:
Another vote for sublists - IMHO, a very necessary feature for serious organizers. This feature has been requested by users for over 7 years now . . . is there a reason why it hasn't yet been added? Is it difficult to implement from a technical perspective?
Some sort of answer would be useful from the good folks at RTM. I'm a Pro user, but beginning to look for alternatives to RTM that have this ability.
Come on, Bob the Monkey - you can do this! ;-)
Some sort of answer would be useful from the good folks at RTM. I'm a Pro user, but beginning to look for alternatives to RTM that have this ability.
Come on, Bob the Monkey - you can do this! ;-)
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rolfwinch says:
For example, check out workflowy.com. Simple, intuitive and easy to use . . . and, with sublists !!
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kredit says:
+1, if you cant pick up the rythm, - sorry to say - but I'll change to Todoist
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doulf says:
Yes this feature is missing for a good project management. A huge missing feature.
Tanks Bob !
Tanks Bob !
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(closed account) says:
I want sublists too!
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(closed account) says:
You could call it folders for lists to, as long as there is a way of putting multiple lists into a group
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dbh13 says:
Yes. I find that the more I use RTM, the more unwieldy the sidebar becomes and I really want to clean it up by grouping sublists into lists.
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mdevitt says:
Essential. When I used RTM way back in 2009 I requested this feature. It's bizarre with the new version they neglected to include sub folders.
Anywho +1
Anywho +1
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codefox says:
Adding my voice to this too. I have around 50 lists and a lot of them are commons groups. I could get around this by using Tasks & Subtasks but with Smart Lists, you can't group by parent task so the subtasks don't show up clearly as to what project they're in.
Sublists seems like such an easy addition!
Sublists seems like such an easy addition!
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newsfreak says:
That's definitely a must have. For my GTD workflow all tasks that need more than 1 step will be put on a seperate project list. Lot's of lists will clutter the Sidebar if there's no possibility to group them in folders.
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werner.peter says:
+1
I'm just searching a new tool (like todoist) only because RTM does not have sub-lists.
I'm just searching a new tool (like todoist) only because RTM does not have sub-lists.
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potts7 says:
Yes, I've considered going to other services for this very feature.
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onerror says:
I see the TickTick model (when lists go to folders which are not lists themselves but allow for comfortable grouping and easy list selecting in mobile apps) better than the Todoist model (when general lists just can contain other lists). Please, consider it when developing.
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rthomas6 says:
Right now I use leading spaces/characers in the list names. It works really well visually, but obviously it would be better if they also behaved as sublists, and also if they were collapsable. Another workaround I've tried is using a #project tag, but this is also not ideal because then I have tasks that are not really tasks, like "Chores" and "Groceries".
I agree that this is a needed feature. It's pretty obvious what we want. Todoist has it and so does TickTick.
I agree that this is a needed feature. It's pretty obvious what we want. Todoist has it and so does TickTick.
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mattias.holmberg says:
Much needed feature, indeed.
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kidtachyon says:
Another vote for sublists please!
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imnotashrimp says:
+1 - I've just given up on Todoist and come to you. And one of the best things Todoist had going for it was that I could nest my lists and separate work and home.
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william.diadamo says:
Agree - this is the issue most preventing me from leaving todoist.
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mackar says:
+9000
10 years waiting and counting...just saying :)
10 years waiting and counting...just saying :)
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johnfoland says:
Hahaha @mackar - Well it's kind of a testament to how awesome RTM is otherwise that we're sticking around so long with "pro" next to our names. :-)
I foolishly dismissed this feature idea for years, thinking either that it complicated things too much or that it was resolved with sub-tasks. I just gave this thread a read and it got my vote.
I'm willing to wait ten more years, Bob. (If you're there...)
I foolishly dismissed this feature idea for years, thinking either that it complicated things too much or that it was resolved with sub-tasks. I just gave this thread a read and it got my vote.
I'm willing to wait ten more years, Bob. (If you're there...)
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xenji says:
I'm also in between todoist and RTM. I'd really like to see nested/sub lists with each parent list having an aggregated view on all children.
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harshil.vora8 says:
RTM is one step away from perfection for me, and that step is sublists. Please! I can't list each and every of my 100+ projects as individual lists. They need to be sublists under my list of Projects. And they are sublists, not tasks. It is confusing and uncomfortable to have them be tasks in a list. They're titles, not tasks. Please get this feature! Thank you!
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shortydavis says:
I definitely want sub-tasks, and to show in printing please. When you procrastinate big jobs, you want the small sub-tasks to show, as it can get you working on an otherwise daunting project.
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(closed account) says:
ANother loud shout for sub-list.. please. why was this left out of the revamp and recode.. really guys? really? I mean come on now.. this is so frigging basic.. SMDH
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mcglear says:
It's weird how a thread that's been open for over a decade, describing an idea that has been backed by thousands of users, doesn't even seem to warrant any kind of response from staff, let alone concrete plans for implementation...
How is "Grouping lists into folders" (which would suffice for most of us, judging by all the comments here and in other threads) still a missing feature?
How is "Grouping lists into folders" (which would suffice for most of us, judging by all the comments here and in other threads) still a missing feature?
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thehodapp says:
+1 Would like an official response.
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mcglear says:
Since it has been another 6 months I thought I'd give everyone some kind of "update". When I got annoyed at the lack of an official response to this feature request, I decided to contact rtm directly. I did recieve an immediate, promising reply - but haven't heard anything (or seen any changes in forum engagement or feature delivery) since then.
This here is the email conversation I had with a staff member in July 2018:
---- My Initial mail: Dealing with feature requests
[9th of July 2018]
Hi,
so after realising that rtm lacks features that seem rather "basic" to me (grouping lists and smart lists into folders or categories, live filtering my lists with additional filters, going back to my 5 most recent searches), I decided to head to the idea forums. As I expected, all of the features above have already been requested there - some of them have been on the forums for over a decade (compare: https://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/ideas/3289/) - without prompting an implementation or even just an answer from rtm staff.
This - in itself - is quite discouraging. But for sport, I decided to scan through the "newest" ideas, clicking on "next" until I found the youngest idea tagged "answered". And - behold - it only took 42 (fortytwo!) pages to find a thread that had been answered - 7 (seven!) years ago.
Now, this of course makes me wonder whether you value user feedback at all (and why you encourage people to waste their time giving thumbs-ups to feature requests you never react to). Because if you do value user input, it's high time that you react to the forums (and I don't mean copy&paste tips and tricks for your weekly blog posts) or find a more suitable system. It's also high time that you implement list-grouping, because - come on - it just makes sense (and also, because a few thousand of your users say so...)
Regards,
#########################################
---- First response by RTM staff member
Thanks for getting in touch. We appreciate your feedback on our feedback system. :)
We don't generally comment on unreleased features, but we've had lots of great ideas from users, and certainly encourage feedback!
You can also see answered/launched ideas in the respective sections, for example here for answered ideas:
https://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/ideas/?s=answered
More "addressed" features were marked "launched" since "answered" means we answered but did not launch a specific answer.
The rest are still "open", so to speak, so we encourage feedback and votes as we work to improve Remember The Milk with future features.
Regarding list grouping, we don't currently offer that but it would be possible to group lists in the left navigation bar with manual sorting:
https://www.rememberthemilk.com/help/answer/basics-lists-changeorder
Let us know if we can ever help with anything else!
#########################################
---- My response to that
thanks for your reply. Obviously I'm not saying that there's no progress on RTM - I really liked the 2016 Update and enjoy using RTM a lot (else, I wouldn't be a Pro subscriber, obviously). I also understand that you don't want to publish a roadmap or make any kind of promises.
Nonetheless, I think you should "engage" a little more in the ideas forums. Sticking with the aforementioned thread concerning grouping of lists, I really think it is a bad signal to keep such a request in a seemingly "ignored" state. Again, we are talking about more than a decade worth of comments and endorsements.
I know that I can "group" the lists by sorting (I actually AM doing that, simply by giving each list a name with a grouping prefix and sorting alphabetically). But this way, I can't collapse the groups - and my navigation bar overflows with dozens of lists. [Side note: This could also become easier with a search history (so I could jump between my last 10 searches or my "most used" searches, eliminating the need for that many smart-lists. It would also become much easier if we could simply filter the currently viewed lists by clicking on a tag (expected behaviour: all tasks within the CURRENT lists that are tagged appropriately are shown, all others get hidden. Current behaviour: ALL tasks within the SYSTEM with the chosen tag are shown)]
If we look at what other users have suggested, some also ask for a sublist feature, rather than "only" grouping via collapsible folders. To me, that would also imply advanced behaviour like inheritance. I currently use Master-Smartlists to collect, for instance, all my "projects" (I'm using RTM fro GTD). Then, I have smartlists for each area of focus, that basically collect all the projects related to a certain AoF (list:Projects__Master AND ag:aof_fitness). The reason for that is that I'd like to be able to change how I search for active projects [maybe today I need (tag:project AND (NOT tag:someday)) - or how about (tag:project AND dueBefore:"1 month from now") instead?]. But I'd like to be able to adjust this behaviour without having to change each and every one of my AoF-Smartlists. Using the masterlist pattern, sadly, messes with project task creation, because tasks created while within the smartlist Projects_Fitness (list:Projects__Master AND tag:aof_fitness) will receive #aof_fitness but not #project.
Theses are just a few of the the problems I currently try to deal with - and my needs may be very different from other users'. But that's exactly why I think it is important for you to engage in discussions on the forums more - maybe asking for clarification, or making suggestions how one COULD implement such features, asking for feedback. You don't need to make promises, nor give any time estimates. But you COULD show that you are actually working with the user input (even when you are not currently working ON any of those requests per se).
I guess the current forum-based system is giving me a hard time exactly because I can't see which requests are "open" and which are "ignored" - sorry, I'm an open-source-github-kind-of-guy :P (I believe I share this fate with quite a large portion of your userbase. A todolist app with a scripting based query system and a powerful API tends to attract a certain kind of people) ;)
Regards,
#########################################
---- And their second reponse
Thanks for your continued feedback! I understand where you're coming from and have passed this on to the development team for review.
Feedback *about* feedback is a certain kind of special, so we really appreciate your ongoing thoughts about being a Remember The Milk user and interacting with the app and our team.
As always, let us know if we can help with anything else too!
This here is the email conversation I had with a staff member in July 2018:
---- My Initial mail: Dealing with feature requests
[9th of July 2018]
Hi,
so after realising that rtm lacks features that seem rather "basic" to me (grouping lists and smart lists into folders or categories, live filtering my lists with additional filters, going back to my 5 most recent searches), I decided to head to the idea forums. As I expected, all of the features above have already been requested there - some of them have been on the forums for over a decade (compare: https://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/ideas/3289/) - without prompting an implementation or even just an answer from rtm staff.
This - in itself - is quite discouraging. But for sport, I decided to scan through the "newest" ideas, clicking on "next" until I found the youngest idea tagged "answered". And - behold - it only took 42 (fortytwo!) pages to find a thread that had been answered - 7 (seven!) years ago.
Now, this of course makes me wonder whether you value user feedback at all (and why you encourage people to waste their time giving thumbs-ups to feature requests you never react to). Because if you do value user input, it's high time that you react to the forums (and I don't mean copy&paste tips and tricks for your weekly blog posts) or find a more suitable system. It's also high time that you implement list-grouping, because - come on - it just makes sense (and also, because a few thousand of your users say so...)
Regards,
#########################################
---- First response by RTM staff member
Thanks for getting in touch. We appreciate your feedback on our feedback system. :)
We don't generally comment on unreleased features, but we've had lots of great ideas from users, and certainly encourage feedback!
You can also see answered/launched ideas in the respective sections, for example here for answered ideas:
https://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/ideas/?s=answered
More "addressed" features were marked "launched" since "answered" means we answered but did not launch a specific answer.
The rest are still "open", so to speak, so we encourage feedback and votes as we work to improve Remember The Milk with future features.
Regarding list grouping, we don't currently offer that but it would be possible to group lists in the left navigation bar with manual sorting:
https://www.rememberthemilk.com/help/answer/basics-lists-changeorder
Let us know if we can ever help with anything else!
#########################################
---- My response to that
thanks for your reply. Obviously I'm not saying that there's no progress on RTM - I really liked the 2016 Update and enjoy using RTM a lot (else, I wouldn't be a Pro subscriber, obviously). I also understand that you don't want to publish a roadmap or make any kind of promises.
Nonetheless, I think you should "engage" a little more in the ideas forums. Sticking with the aforementioned thread concerning grouping of lists, I really think it is a bad signal to keep such a request in a seemingly "ignored" state. Again, we are talking about more than a decade worth of comments and endorsements.
I know that I can "group" the lists by sorting (I actually AM doing that, simply by giving each list a name with a grouping prefix and sorting alphabetically). But this way, I can't collapse the groups - and my navigation bar overflows with dozens of lists. [Side note: This could also become easier with a search history (so I could jump between my last 10 searches or my "most used" searches, eliminating the need for that many smart-lists. It would also become much easier if we could simply filter the currently viewed lists by clicking on a tag (expected behaviour: all tasks within the CURRENT lists that are tagged appropriately are shown, all others get hidden. Current behaviour: ALL tasks within the SYSTEM with the chosen tag are shown)]
If we look at what other users have suggested, some also ask for a sublist feature, rather than "only" grouping via collapsible folders. To me, that would also imply advanced behaviour like inheritance. I currently use Master-Smartlists to collect, for instance, all my "projects" (I'm using RTM fro GTD). Then, I have smartlists for each area of focus, that basically collect all the projects related to a certain AoF (list:Projects__Master AND ag:aof_fitness). The reason for that is that I'd like to be able to change how I search for active projects [maybe today I need (tag:project AND (NOT tag:someday)) - or how about (tag:project AND dueBefore:"1 month from now") instead?]. But I'd like to be able to adjust this behaviour without having to change each and every one of my AoF-Smartlists. Using the masterlist pattern, sadly, messes with project task creation, because tasks created while within the smartlist Projects_Fitness (list:Projects__Master AND tag:aof_fitness) will receive #aof_fitness but not #project.
Theses are just a few of the the problems I currently try to deal with - and my needs may be very different from other users'. But that's exactly why I think it is important for you to engage in discussions on the forums more - maybe asking for clarification, or making suggestions how one COULD implement such features, asking for feedback. You don't need to make promises, nor give any time estimates. But you COULD show that you are actually working with the user input (even when you are not currently working ON any of those requests per se).
I guess the current forum-based system is giving me a hard time exactly because I can't see which requests are "open" and which are "ignored" - sorry, I'm an open-source-github-kind-of-guy :P (I believe I share this fate with quite a large portion of your userbase. A todolist app with a scripting based query system and a powerful API tends to attract a certain kind of people) ;)
Regards,
#########################################
---- And their second reponse
Thanks for your continued feedback! I understand where you're coming from and have passed this on to the development team for review.
Feedback *about* feedback is a certain kind of special, so we really appreciate your ongoing thoughts about being a Remember The Milk user and interacting with the app and our team.
As always, let us know if we can help with anything else too!
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Yeah, this is honestly the #1 reason why I've switched almost entirely over to using Things. If really wish RTM would build the capability of grouping lists into larger "areas" or however they'd want to name them, but based on many of the timestamps in this thread and the number of limited number of new releases that have been coming out, I'm not getting my hopes up. :/
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I came from Wunderlist and used folders and sublists extensively. RTM is far superior to Wunderlist but I sure miss the folders/lists/sublists . At bare minimum I would like to see collapsible folders that would hold lists. (or smartlists). Simplified example. A collapsible folder that says Travel. Lists under travel that say France, Germany, Leland etc. Ideally The France list could have at least one layer of sublists such as Paris, Cannes, etc. Each sublist would include tasks. Would love the sublists but doesnt sound like that is going to happen anytime soon. I do use tags and smartlists to clumsily accommodate some of that. I would like the sublists but would be happy with at least collapsible folders to group lists. That might be an easier change.
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ulf.lundh says:
Wow, im trying out RTM, coming from Todoist and this is a major blocker for me. RTM looks really good otherwise. A feature request 12 (!!!) years old still not implemented makes me wanna back out of here really quick...
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(closed account) says:
100% agree with @ulf.lundh. I am in love with RTM's UI and nested lists are the only thing I'm missing! I could work around this with tags and smart lists, but frankly I am not willing to, because the dev team ignoring one of the most popular and old feature requests is not a good sign... :(
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(closed account) says:
@ranbarton
At least for me, I am probably biased by heavy usage of Things3, but I'd love to have nested lists for hierarchies in the form of Area -> Project -> Actionable Tasks, e.g. Work as research assistant -> Software Project A that is complex and maybe has a deadline but is not actionable in itself -> Numerous tasks required for completing A.
Seeing such large projects as tasks is discouraging (because I will never be able to simply complete that project) and a higher number of subtasks just looks cluttered. Also, what happens, if I'd want to break down a subtask even further? This frequently happens to tasks that emerge from working on a project...
I'm now actually using smart lists for grouping tasks into areas and tags for GTD-like contexts. Sorting the Today-view by these structures requires a pro account and I'm nearly willing to try it this way. If only the devs would be a tiny bit more responsive... *sigh*
At least for me, I am probably biased by heavy usage of Things3, but I'd love to have nested lists for hierarchies in the form of Area -> Project -> Actionable Tasks, e.g. Work as research assistant -> Software Project A that is complex and maybe has a deadline but is not actionable in itself -> Numerous tasks required for completing A.
Seeing such large projects as tasks is discouraging (because I will never be able to simply complete that project) and a higher number of subtasks just looks cluttered. Also, what happens, if I'd want to break down a subtask even further? This frequently happens to tasks that emerge from working on a project...
I'm now actually using smart lists for grouping tasks into areas and tags for GTD-like contexts. Sorting the Today-view by these structures requires a pro account and I'm nearly willing to try it this way. If only the devs would be a tiny bit more responsive... *sigh*
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